here is a link to full CoA gear , make sure you check mod2's
http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1387971
and here is cultural with full siblime/elegant, of course this is a pretty insane set to get because each slot is like 700k, but anyway this is what it would look like
http://eq.magelo.com/profile/1387973
Personaly I see the CoA gear raid set as putting the cultural one to shame, at least until the cultural one has lastseal/bazu augs, because the AC on the coa is so much better and the mod2's as well mainly the shielding. What do you all think?Â
that is an unfair comparison atm. you have the CoA gear with alot of other slots inc 2.0,neck that are substantial AC upgrades over the items in same slots linked to the Culteral. you cannot acurately compare the 2 with havnig the main armor slots being the only variance. i happen to have 7/8 culteral on Tigroklaws Elegant/Sublime ...the only slot i dont is helm due to the CoA 45% haste. if i were to get the 46% haste belt i'd upgrade to cultural helm as well. aye i lose some of the effects, but elegant+Sublime+ DoN augs, let alone getting Bazu/LB i feel is better than the CoA gear. compareable to SoF Tier3 armor i think it would be called.
the DoN slot12 augs would add 35-40hp per culteral for another 270-320hp total.
i understand tho that most may not be able to afford or get lucky enough to get all the parts to do a full set of elegant/Sublime. A set of Eminent/Exalted plus the DoN augs is probably compareable to the raid gear, little better in stats but lose out on the effects so i guess would be player preferance, different classes would have more of prioirty. than of course is what effects you may alrdy have from your jewerly slot items,back,waist,shoulders that you wouldnt need from standard armor slots.
I agreee that cultural is better WITH the slot 12 filled,but without it I am saying there is no comparison even if it is sublime and elegant mix, that was what one of my points was besides the focus and mod2's.
may or may not be true. i was just saying before i could acurately compare the 2 you'd have to have all slots other than the primary armor slots having the same gear, raid gear or not in order to get assessment of how they compare. or have them only wearing the main 8 armors and nothing else to compare. if i ever get time to try it i'll record my results but i usually have trouble with magelo.
ok managed to get into magelo and putting in Tigro as 77war...using just the 8 CoA vs Elegant/Sublime (not the slot12 which is bonus for cultural) ....CoA gear has 54 more AC, but 251 less HP. converting 1AC = 6HP ... CoA gear is better by 73hp.
Elegant/Sublime are required79 tho and still get 20ac 95hp total better....which than comparing gives Cultural a 142hp equivalent lead prior to adding any slot12 augs at lv79 if all my math woks out properly. Elaborate/Exalted however would be quite a bit different i think putting CoA gear perhaps even with the DoN slot12 augs as better.
yeah, plus if you factor in mod2's coa is probobly a lot better, and the focuses. So it seems go with CoA gear till you can get elegent and sublime with slot 12 augs, but keep the cultural in bank untill then, at least for us warriors.
yea it comes down to preference and alternate armors. if you alrdy have other items with the mod2 than you can get away with the hp/ac of culteral a bit more. but if lacking in them CoA or SoF may be the way to go. i know my mask has cleave5,neck - parry3, dodge on maybe my shoulders so i have little less to worry about. unfortunately i also got cleave5 on my bazu aug so i missed out there. think i may hav got mask just after or little before nad forgot what skill was on it or i could have gotten block or something instead on bazu. but its still nice to be able to debate some of the gear.
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Hey guys, veng has been wearing elab, exalted for since it came out.
Cultural is = to or better then Coa armor, minus bp/leggs effects Veng has 3/4 cultural with 2 bazu stones, the other slots 12's are don augs, kinda pricy but it is on par with coa, and does not cost DKP.
Cultural Ftw.
And now, SoF group armor FTW over both of these. Once upgraded of course.
Coa armor, mostly useless.
Demi armor, useless
PoR, mostly useless
Tss armor, on par with sof+upgrades, and cultural with bazu
TBS armor= max cultural, and max sof group armor
Lots of choices, but thats the break down, im using a bit of all atm but plan to go sof/cultural
which SoF group armor you talking about, the martial steel? if so yeah I agree it is better of course when you can get it but I was more just comparing those two things because they are what we have most of. Also something very interesting I found the other day is a guy on the steel warrior made a warrior armor set comparison guide based on ac/hp and other stuff, CoA armor actually is ranked higher than Demi armor for warriors, i think it was like 60 more ac for coa, and 60 less hp then demi. I am of course saving all cultural for when we start to get alot of augs, but that takes time to get alot of stones in all sets, and until then I am just saying it seems like CoA armor is the way to go, and you can be set through demi, except for of course in demi you start to get alot of last bloods when you clear it making cultural the best.
The stats on the Katta Praetorian line of armor with Energeians exceed the CoA (Gladiators) in most cases. The Praetorian also beats the Warped Steel from SoF on a majority of the pieces. The AC may be a tad higher for the CoA but the HP, svs. and stats on the Praetorian are hard to beat.
I'd have to agree that the elegant cultural with the sublime augs. is probably going to be the way to go, however the availability and cost of these pieces is ridiculous at present. I don't know of anyone making wood elf pieces (Wealdstone).
Somethings your not taking into consideration. #1 Cultural is meant to be looked at as a whole with 3 augs, yes the 12 augs are hard to get but looking at it without considering all the augs is defeating the purpose, and not being fair. #2 Major tank mod2's like shielding and avoidence are being actively moved OFF visible armor onto non visible armor slots, look at all the loot since tss, they've added a ton of that stuff to non visible slots, most notably in SoF items.
Expansion based armor raid types:
The start of time
RoK>The start of time
SoV> RoK
SoL> SoV
PoP> SoL
GoD> PoP
OoW> GoD
DoN Cultural> all minus TbS/SoF
DoDh> OoW
PoR> DoDh
TsS> PoR
TbS> TsS
SoF>TbS
No I don't count Tbs praetorian armor. Any armor that degrades over time is not armor, the very idea is ludacris, therefore it does not even count. Yes, I know its more realistic to degrade, but EQ has never worked that way untill this bs started in TbS. So my armor always has the same stats no matter what,where,when, but this praetrian crap goes up and down and requires maintenance, nothanks.
Praetorian armor itself doesn't "degrade", the energeian (power source), which adds stats to the base armor does. It's essentially works just like a general augment. If you don't equip an energeian, the armor stats remain constant and the armor does not "degrade over time".
This same principal will exist in the SoF armor as well. The Purity # in the SoF and TBS (Katta) armor pieces only determines the rate at which the energeians are consumed, and the amount of stats you will gain from each type of energeian.
The "praetorian crap" you refer to happens to be what I wear in most of my visible armor slots, and the only "maintenance" that is required is the purchase of a new energeian when it wears out. The higher the purity of the individual armor pieces, the longer the energeians last. My armor has an average purity of about 55 and the energeian typically lasts about 2 weeks, depending on how much I play. When the energeian wears out, you sell the empty one back to the vendor in Katta for 3 orum and buy a new one for 20 orum. I keep several of them in the bank and when they are all expired I simply make a run to Katta and replace them.
Perhaps you should research a bit before bashing something you clearly know very little about.
reading up on the steel warrior, and doing some more magelo work, right now sunshard cultural pretty much owns all other armor in comparison except for crystallos raid sets.
